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	That ratio does not make every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] automatically better, but it does explain why the 5512 feels scarcer in the market and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier quickly. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive with box, service papers, and diver provenance, and two Sotheby's [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023, make the branch market concrete rather than abstract.		That ratio does not make every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] automatically better, but it does explain why the 5512 feels scarcer in the market and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier quickly. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive with box, service papers, and diver provenance, and two Sotheby's [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023, make the branch market concrete rather than abstract.


			== Related references ==

			* [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]]
			* [[Reference:5508\|Submariner 5508]] — no-crown-guard 8mm
			* [[Reference:5510\|Submariner 5510]] — Big Crown, cal 1530
			* [[Reference:5512\|Submariner 5512]] — first crown guards
			* [[Reference:5513\|Submariner 5513]] — the long-run no-date classic
			* [[Reference:5514\|Submariner 5514]] — the COMEX 5xxx
			* [[Reference:5517\|Submariner 5517]] — the MilSub

	== Sources ==		== Sources ==

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	* [https://www.windvintage.com/blog/collectors-guide-rolex-submariner-reference-5512 Collector's Guide: What To Know About The Rolex Submariner Reference 5512] — Charlie Dunne, Wind Vintage		* [https://www.windvintage.com/blog/collectors-guide-rolex-submariner-reference-5512 Collector's Guide: What To Know About The Rolex Submariner Reference 5512] — Charlie Dunne, Wind Vintage
	* [https://www.bobswatches.com/vintage-rolex-submariner-reference-5508.html Vintage Rolex Submariner Reference 5508] — Bob's Watches editorial staff, Bob's Watches		* [https://www.bobswatches.com/vintage-rolex-submariner-reference-5508.html Vintage Rolex Submariner Reference 5508] — Bob's Watches editorial staff, Bob's Watches
	* [https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/rolex-submariner-ref-5508-small-crown-tropical-dial-circa-1959/ Rolex Submariner Ref 5508 Small Crown Tropical Dial Circa 1959] — ~~unknown,~~ Wanna Buy A Watch?		* [https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/rolex-submariner-ref-5508-small-crown-tropical-dial-circa-1959/ Rolex Submariner Ref 5508 Small Crown Tropical Dial Circa 1959] — Wanna Buy A Watch?
	* [https://loupethis.com/auctions/rolex-submariner-5508-service-dial Rolex Submariner 5508 Service Dial] — ~~unknown,~~ Loupe This		* [https://loupethis.com/auctions/rolex-submariner-5508-service-dial Rolex Submariner 5508 Service Dial] — Loupe This
	* [https://www.vintagegoldwatches.com/product/rolex-submariner-ref-5508-1957-exclamation-dot-dial/ Rolex Submariner Ref.5508 1962 Exclamation Dot Dial] — Vintage Gold Watches, Vintage Gold Watches		* [https://www.vintagegoldwatches.com/product/rolex-submariner-ref-5508-1957-exclamation-dot-dial/ Rolex Submariner Ref.5508 1962 Exclamation Dot Dial] — Vintage Gold Watches, Vintage Gold Watches
	* [https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-5510.html Rolex 5510] — Bob's Watches editorial staff, Bob's Watches		* [https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-5510.html Rolex 5510] — Bob's Watches editorial staff, Bob's Watches

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	== Sources ==		== Sources ==
	* The Vintage Rolex Field Manual — Morning Tundra		* ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' — Colin A. White, Morning Tundra
	* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-part-2-the-55xx-1680references/ History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 2, The 55XX References and 1680 Date] — Tom Mulraney, Monochrome		* [https://monochrome-watches.com/rolex-submariner-history-part-2-the-55xx-1680references/ History of the Rolex Submariner - Part 2, The 55XX References and 1680 Date] — Tom Mulraney, Monochrome
	* [https://www.windvintage.com/blog/collectors-guide-rolex-submariner-reference-5512 Collector's Guide: What To Know About The Rolex Submariner Reference 5512] — Charlie Dunne, Wind Vintage		* [https://www.windvintage.com/blog/collectors-guide-rolex-submariner-reference-5512 Collector's Guide: What To Know About The Rolex Submariner Reference 5512] — Charlie Dunne, Wind Vintage

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	The family starts without crown guards and ends with them permanent. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the structural pivot — it locks crown guards into the Submariner.		The family starts without crown guards and ends with them permanent. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the structural pivot — it locks crown guards into the Submariner.

	The ~~working~~ sequence ~~runs from the~~ [[Reference:5508\|5508]] ~~(small crown, no crown guards) through the~~ [[Reference:5510\|5510]] ~~(big crown,~~ no crown ~~guards), into the~~ earliest [[Reference:5512\|5512]] ~~with~~ square ~~crown~~ guards, then ~~eagle-beak and~~ pointed Cornino ~~refinements~~, ~~and finally into the later [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] with~~ the mature rounded ~~crown-guard~~ form~~. Cornino is Italian for "little horn"~~ and ~~describes the sharp, pointed tip of the second-generation crown guard~~.		The sequence is simple. [[Reference:5508\|5508]] and [[Reference:5510\|5510]] close the no-crown-guard era. The earliest [[Reference:5512\|5512]] introduces square guards, then pointed Cornino guards, then the mature rounded form that carries through the long 5512 and 5513 run.

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	== Dial and movement logic across the family ==		== Dial and movement logic across the family ==

	The 5xxx family is not one dial story. Early watches live in the glossy gilt world ~~— glossy black lacquer with gilt-colored printing rather than~~ the ~~later matte finish. The~~ [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] ~~then~~ split into different long-run dial arcs. The ~~[[Reference:~~5512~~\|5512]]~~ movement path ~~runs through caliber 1530, 1560, and 1570 (the 1560 and 1570 being the chronometer-grade movements that define its premium identity)~~. The ~~[[Reference:~~5513~~\|5513]] movement path~~ settles into ~~caliber 1530 and then~~ the long~~-run~~ non-chronometer ~~1520~~.		The 5xxx family is not one dial story. Early watches live in the glossy gilt world, then the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] split into different long-run dial arcs. The 5512 carries the chronometer movement path. The 5513 settles into the long non-chronometer route.

	Lazy summaries get collectors into trouble here. The 5xxx family rewards reference-specific thinking.		Lazy summaries get collectors into trouble here. The 5xxx family rewards reference-specific thinking.

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	== Bracelet and packaging logic ==		== Bracelet and packaging logic ==

	Bracelet fitment is easier to document than original delivery. Across the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] the ~~book-backed~~ fitment ~~picture overlaps heavily~~: ~~the~~ 7206/80 ~~rivet bracelet on~~ early ~~production~~, ~~the~~ 9315 ~~folded-link Oyster~~ with 280 or 380 ~~end links~~ in the middle, ~~and the~~ 93150 ~~solid-link Oyster with~~ 580 ~~end links on~~ late ~~production~~. ~~Those combinations were~~ not ~~all original-~~delivery ~~defaults across the run~~. The same caution applies to boxes and papers.		Bracelet fitment is easier to document than original delivery. Across the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] the documented fitment overlap is familiar: 7206/80 early, 9315 with 280 or 380 in the middle, 93150/580 late. That is fitment, not a universal delivery chart. The same caution applies to boxes and papers.

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	The 5xxx Submariner family is the core no-date vintage Submariner story. ~~Understanding how~~ the Submariner ~~became~~ the ~~thing~~ most collectors picture in their heads ~~starts here~~.		The 5xxx Submariner family is the core no-date vintage Submariner story. This is where the Submariner becomes the watch most collectors picture in their heads.

	It begins with the last no-crown-guard watches, runs through the transitional big-crown [[Reference:5510\|5510]], then settles into the crown-guard commercial core of [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]]. From there it breaks into special-issue branches like the COMEX [[Reference:5514\|5514]] and military [[Reference:5517\|5517]].		It begins with the last no-crown-guard watches, runs through the transitional big-crown [[Reference:5510\|5510]], then settles into the crown-guard commercial core of [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]]. From there it breaks into special-issue branches like the COMEX [[Reference:5514\|5514]] and military [[Reference:5517\|5517]].
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	== Core map ==		== Core map ==

	The family runs across six references. The [[Reference:5508\|5508]] is the small-crown, no-crown-guard watch — the last of that mainstream branch. The [[Reference:5510\|5510]] is the big-crown transitional bridge to the later family. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the chronometer crown-guard no-date Submariner and the [[Reference:5513\|5513]] is its non-chronometer counterpart. The [[Reference:5514\|5514]] is the COMEX-only branch with a helium escape valve, and the [[Reference:5517\|5517]] is the military-only fixed-bar branch.		The family runs across six references. The [[Reference:5508\|5508]] is the small-crown, no-crown-guard watch, the last of that mainstream branch. The [[Reference:5510\|5510]] is the big-crown transitional bridge to the later family. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the chronometer crown-guard no-date Submariner and the [[Reference:5513\|5513]] is its non-chronometer counterpart. The [[Reference:5514\|5514]] is the COMEX-only branch with a helium escape valve, and the [[Reference:5517\|5517]] is the military-only fixed-bar branch.

	Small-crown and big-crown mean exactly what they sound like: the size of the winding crown on the early no-crown-guard watches. HEV means helium escape valve.		Small-crown and big-crown mean exactly what they sound like: the size of the winding crown on the early no-crown-guard watches. HEV means helium escape valve.
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	=== Crown and case architecture ===		=== Crown and case architecture ===

	The family starts without crown guards and ends with them fully baked into the model. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the structural pivot ~~— it~~ makes crown guards permanent.		The family starts without crown guards and ends with them fully baked into the model. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the structural pivot. It makes crown guards permanent.

	The working sequence runs from the [[Reference:5508\|5508]] with a small crown and no crown guards, through the [[Reference:5510\|5510]] with a big crown and no crown guards, into the earliest [[Reference:5512\|5512]] with square crown guards and then eagle-beak and pointed refinements, and finally into the later [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] with the mature rounded crown-guard commercial form.		The working sequence runs from the [[Reference:5508\|5508]] with a small crown and no crown guards, through the [[Reference:5510\|5510]] with a big crown and no crown guards, into the earliest [[Reference:5512\|5512]] with square crown guards and then eagle-beak and pointed refinements, and finally into the later [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] with the mature rounded crown-guard commercial form.
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	=== Commercial split ===		=== Commercial split ===

	The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] overlap for years, but they ~~are not~~ the ~~same watch in~~ market ~~position~~. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the chronometer no-date watch. The [[Reference:5513\|5513]] is the cheaper non-chronometer no-date watch. The distinction matters ~~more than it might appear~~.		The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] overlap for years, but they hold different positions in the market. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the chronometer no-date watch. The [[Reference:5513\|5513]] is the cheaper non-chronometer no-date watch. The distinction matters.

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	=== 5512 ===		=== 5512 ===

	The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the premium no-date Submariner — the first where crown guards become a lasting part of the ~~model’s~~ identity. It carries the chronometer story.		The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is the premium no-date Submariner. It is the first where crown guards become a lasting part of the model's identity. It carries the chronometer story.

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	=== 5517 ===		=== 5517 ===

	The [[Reference:5517\|5517]] is the dedicated military branch. Fixed bars, full-minute bezel markings, and military hand and dial traits put it in a different lane from the standard commercial references. The package now includes two direct ~~Sotheby’s~~ [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lot pages, a photographed 1977 example from ~~Hodinkee’s~~ Mike Wood report, and a sold military [[Reference:5513\|5513]] archive example. The military branch finally has real observed footing.		The [[Reference:5517\|5517]] is the dedicated military branch. Fixed bars, full-minute bezel markings, and military hand and dial traits put it in a different lane from the standard commercial references. The package now includes two direct Sotheby's [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lot pages, a photographed 1977 example from Hodinkee's Mike Wood report, and a sold military [[Reference:5513\|5513]] archive example. The military branch finally has real observed footing.

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	== Dial and movement logic across the family ==		== Dial and movement logic across the family ==

	The family is not one dial story. Early 5xxx watches still sit in the glossy gilt world — glossy black dials ~~with~~ gilt-colored printing rather than the later matte style. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] then split into different long-run dial arcs. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] movement path runs through 1530, 1560, and 1570, while the [[Reference:5513\|5513]] movement path settles into 1530 and 1520.		The family is not one dial story. Early 5xxx watches still sit in the glossy gilt world, with glossy black dials and gilt-colored printing rather than the later matte style. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] then split into different long-run dial arcs. The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] movement path runs through 1530, 1560, and 1570, while the [[Reference:5513\|5513]] movement path settles into 1530 and 1520.

	This is where lazy summaries get people into trouble. The 5xxx family rewards reference-specific thinking.		This is where lazy summaries get people into trouble. The 5xxx family rewards reference-specific thinking.
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	Even inside this one family, bracelet fitment is easier to support than original delivery.		Even inside this one family, bracelet fitment is easier to support than original delivery.

	The current book-backed fitment picture already overlaps heavily across [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]], with the 7206/80, the 9315/280 (or 380), and the 93150/580 all documented. ~~That does not mean those~~ combinations were all original-delivery defaults across the run. The same caution applies to boxes and papers.		The current book-backed fitment picture already overlaps heavily across [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]], with the 7206/80, the 9315/280 (or 380), and the 93150/580 all documented. Those combinations were not all original-delivery defaults across the run. The same caution applies to boxes and papers.

	The family bracelet fitment matrix and packaging map now live under research/evidence/submariner/5xxx-family/. They are working comparison tools, not final buyer-checklist tables.		The family bracelet fitment matrix and packaging map now live under research/evidence/submariner/5xxx-family/. They are working comparison tools, not final buyer-checklist tables.
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	The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] do not occupy the same market depth. Production figures from the Rolex-commissioned Submariner book put the gap in sharp relief: 17,338 pieces for the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] against 151,449 for the [[Reference:5513\|5513]].		The [[Reference:5512\|5512]] and [[Reference:5513\|5513]] do not occupy the same market depth. Production figures from the Rolex-commissioned Submariner book put the gap in sharp relief: 17,338 pieces for the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] against 151,449 for the [[Reference:5513\|5513]].

	That gap does not ~~mean~~ every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] is automatically better. It does explain why the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] feels scarcer and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier fast.		That gap does not make every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] automatically better. It does explain why the [[Reference:5512\|5512]] feels scarcer and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier fast.

	The special branches now have more than abstract rarity language. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive example with box, service papers, and diver provenance is in the local package, while ~~Sotheby’s~~ direct [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023 give the military branch real auction footing with six-figure CHF estimates and explicit military-spec component notes.		The special branches now have more than abstract rarity language. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive example with box, service papers, and diver provenance is in the local package, while Sotheby's direct [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023 give the military branch real auction footing with six-figure CHF estimates and explicit military-spec component notes.

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	That ratio does not make every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] automatically better, but it does explain why the 5512 feels scarcer in the market and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier quickly. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive with box, service papers, and diver provenance, and two Sotheby's [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023, make the branch market concrete rather than abstract.		That ratio does not make every [[Reference:5512\|5512]] automatically better, but it does explain why the 5512 feels scarcer in the market and why special-branch 5xxx watches move into a different price tier quickly. A sold 1976 [[Reference:5514\|5514]] COMEX archive with box, service papers, and diver provenance, and two Sotheby's [[Reference:5517\|5517]] lots from 2018 and 2023, make the branch market concrete rather than abstract.


			== Related references ==

			* [[Reference:submariner\|Submariner family index]]
			* [[Reference:5508\|Submariner 5508]] — no-crown-guard 8mm
			* [[Reference:5510\|Submariner 5510]] — Big Crown, cal 1530
			* [[Reference:5512\|Submariner 5512]] — first crown guards
			* [[Reference:5513\|Submariner 5513]] — the long-run no-date classic
			* [[Reference:5514\|Submariner 5514]] — the COMEX 5xxx
			* [[Reference:5517\|Submariner 5517]] — the MilSub

	== Sources ==		== Sources ==