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	{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 5517 Submariner}}		{{DISPLAYTITLE:Rolex 5517 Submariner}}
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	\|title=Rolex 5517 ~~Submariner~~ — ~~Production, Dial Variants~~, ~~Serial Ranges~~ \| BezelBase		\|title=Rolex Submariner 5517 'MilSub' — Military Issue, 1971–1974 \| BezelBase
	\|description=The 5517 is the British military Submariner. Three batches across roughly 1972-1979, fixed bars, full 60-minute bezel, sword hands, T SWISS T tritium dial. Phillips Geneva XIV 2021 CHF 504,000 result is the public auction record.		\|description=The 5517 is the British military Submariner. Three batches across roughly 1972-1979, fixed bars, full 60-minute bezel, sword hands, T SWISS T tritium dial. Phillips Geneva XIV 2021 CHF 504,000 result is the public auction record.
	\|keywords=Rolex, 5517, MilSub, Royal Navy, military Submariner, broadsword hands, T SWISS T		\|keywords=Rolex, 5517, MilSub, Royal Navy, military Submariner, broadsword hands, T SWISS T
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	[[File:Ref 5517 hero.webp\|thumb\|right\|~~340px~~\|alt=Rolex Submariner Ref. 5517\|Rolex Submariner Ref. 5517]]		[[File:Ref 5517 hero.webp\|thumb\|right\|250px\|alt=Rolex Submariner Ref. 5517\|Rolex Submariner Ref. 5517]]

	== Core facts ==		== Core facts ==

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	* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/24632/lot/90/ Rolex Submariner Ref. 5513/5517 Military — Bonhams 2018 lot 90] (Bonhams, 2018)		* [https://www.bonhams.com/auction/24632/lot/90/ Rolex Submariner Ref. 5513/5517 Military — Bonhams 2018 lot 90] (Bonhams, 2018)
	* ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' — Colin A. White, Morning Tundra		* ''The Vintage Rolex Field Manual'' — Colin A. White, Morning Tundra

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			== Related references ==

			The 5517 is the dedicated Submariner of the [[Reference:milsub\|MilSub]] program, used in the third Royal Navy batch after the first two ran on 5513 cases. It sits inside the [[Reference:submariner-5xxx-family\|5xxx Submariner family]] with the chronometer 5512, the long-run civilian 5513, and the COMEX 5514.

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	<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] -> '''5517'''</small>		<small>[[Reference:submariner\|Submariner]] -> '''5517'''</small>

	The 5517 is the MilSub: the British military Submariner, purpose-built for the Ministry of Defence and never sold through any retail channel. Production ran across three batches roughly 1972 to 1979 in two distinct serial bands — the 3.9M cluster for the early 5513 and 5513/5517 double-reference watches, the 5.3M cluster for the dedicated 5517 batch.		The 5517 is the MilSub: the British military Submariner, purpose-built for the Ministry of Defence and never sold through any retail channel. Production ran across three batches roughly 1972 to 1979 in two distinct serial bands — the 3.9M cluster for the early 5513 and 5513/5517 double-reference watches, the 5.3M cluster for the dedicated 5517 batch.

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	* [https://www.fellows.co.uk/blog/watches/2020/08/24/rolex-milsub-sells-for-over-165000-smashing-fellows-house-record/ Rolex MilSub Sells for Over £174,000 Smashing Fellows House Record] (Fellows Auctioneers, 2020)		* [https://www.fellows.co.uk/blog/watches/2020/08/24/rolex-milsub-sells-for-over-165000-smashing-fellows-house-record/ Rolex MilSub Sells for Over £174,000 Smashing Fellows House Record] (Fellows Auctioneers, 2020)
	* [https://corradomattarelli.com/products/the-british-military-submariner-ref-5517 Military Submariner — A Watch Made by History] — Corrado Mattarelli (OnlyVintage Magazine listing)		* [https://corradomattarelli.com/products/the-british-military-submariner-ref-5517 Military Submariner — A Watch Made by History] — Corrado Mattarelli (OnlyVintage Magazine listing)
	* [https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/resources/rolex-milsub-submariner-ref-5517.html The Rolex MilSub Submariner Ref. 5517 resource page] (~~Bob's Watches~~ editorial)		* [https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/resources/rolex-milsub-submariner-ref-5517.html The Rolex MilSub Submariner Ref. 5517 resource page] (editorial)
	* [https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/CH080221/152 Rolex Submariner MilSub Ref. 5517 — Phillips Geneva XIV lot 152] (Phillips, 2021)		* [https://www.phillips.com/detail/rolex/CH080221/152 Rolex Submariner MilSub Ref. 5517 — Phillips Geneva XIV lot 152] (Phillips, 2021)
	* [https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2023/important-watches-part-i-2/military-submariner-reference-5517-a-stainless?locale=en Full Spec Military Submariner Reference 5517 c.1978 — Sotheby's Important Watches Part I lot 3] (Sotheby's, 2023)		* [https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2023/important-watches-part-i-2/military-submariner-reference-5517-a-stainless?locale=en Full Spec Military Submariner Reference 5517 c.1978 — Sotheby's Important Watches Part I lot 3] (Sotheby's, 2023)

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	\| approximately 1972 to 1979 across three batches (~~auction~~-house ~~corpus~~)		\| approximately 1972 to 1979 across three batches (Major-house lots)
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	\| caliber 1520, 26 jewels (~~auction~~-house ~~corpus~~ universal: Phillips, Sotheby's, Antiquorum, Bonhams, Horobox all read 1520; the 1570 forum claim looks like contamination from standard 5512 / 5513 cases that can house either)		\| caliber 1520, 26 jewels (Major-house lots universal: Phillips, Sotheby's, Antiquorum, Bonhams, Horobox all read 1520; the 1570 forum claim looks like contamination from standard 5512 / 5513 cases that can house either)
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	== Production outline ==		== Production outline ==

	Production ran in three batches with overlapping serial bands. Total program output is genuinely contested across the ~~corpus~~ and the article cites all five reputable readings rather than picking one.		Production ran in three batches with overlapping serial bands. Total program output is genuinely contested across the auction record and the article cites all five reputable readings rather than picking one.

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	=== Batch 2: 5513/5517 double-reference ===		=== Batch 2: 5513/5517 double-reference ===

	The second batch keeps 5513 between the 12:00 lugs and adds a 5517 stamp under one lug (commonly the 7:00 lug per established collector taxonomy). The dual-marking pattern captures the transition from repurposed 5513 cases to dedicated 5517 production. ~~Auction~~-house ~~corpus~~ places the double-ref batch in the 3.926M serial band — Phillips New York 2019 lot 28 (case 3,926,768, c.1972, issue 688/77), Phillips Hong Kong 2017 lot 807 (case 3,926,923, c.1974, W10 Army issue 941/79), Antiquorum Monaco 2022 lot 77 (case 3,926,842, c.1975, W10 issue 960/79), Sotheby's 2023 lot 64 (case 3,926,898, c.1973), Bonhams 2018 lot 90 (392xxxx, c.1972). Issue years 77 and 79 dominate the cluster.		The second batch keeps 5513 between the 12:00 lugs and adds a 5517 stamp under one lug (commonly the 7:00 lug per established collector taxonomy). The dual-marking pattern captures the transition from repurposed 5513 cases to dedicated 5517 production. Major-house lots places the double-ref batch in the 3.926M serial band — Phillips New York 2019 lot 28 (case 3,926,768, c.1972, issue 688/77), Phillips Hong Kong 2017 lot 807 (case 3,926,923, c.1974, W10 Army issue 941/79), Antiquorum Monaco 2022 lot 77 (case 3,926,842, c.1975, W10 issue 960/79), Sotheby's 2023 lot 64 (case 3,926,898, c.1973), Bonhams 2018 lot 90 (392xxxx, c.1972). Issue years 77 and 79 dominate the cluster.

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	=== Batch 3: 5517 engravings between lugs ===		=== Batch 3: 5517 engravings between lugs ===

	The third batch carries 5517 between the 12:00 lugs with no 5513 anywhere on the case — the late, full-spec form of the reference. ~~Auction~~-house ~~corpus~~ places the pure 5517 batch in the 5.339M serial band: Phillips Geneva XIV 2021 lot 152 (case 5,339,827, c.1978), Sotheby's November 2023 lot 3 (case 5,339,705, c.1978, issue 853/78), the Phillips MilSub-discovery article reunited pair (case 5,339,667, c.1978). All issue years are 78. The Phillips article on the reunited pair gives the only 5517-batch-specific subset figure: ~250 produced, ~50 known.		The third batch carries 5517 between the 12:00 lugs with no 5513 anywhere on the case — the late, full-spec form of the reference. Major-house lots places the pure 5517 batch in the 5.339M serial band: Phillips Geneva XIV 2021 lot 152 (case 5,339,827, c.1978), Sotheby's November 2023 lot 3 (case 5,339,705, c.1978, issue 853/78), the Phillips MilSub-discovery article reunited pair (case 5,339,667, c.1978). All issue years are 78. The Phillips article on the reunited pair gives the only 5517-batch-specific subset figure: ~250 produced, ~50 known.

	The 3.9M and 5.3M bands are the two serial clusters that map cleanly. The 4M–5M middle band sometimes cited in dealer copy does not surface in ~~the auction~~-house ~~corpus~~ and should be treated as cross-batch noise rather than a third serial band.		The 3.9M and 5.3M bands are the two serial clusters that map cleanly. The 4M–5M middle band sometimes cited in dealer copy does not surface in major-house lots and should be treated as cross-batch noise rather than a third serial band.

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	== Movement notes ==		== Movement notes ==

	The 5517 runs caliber 1520. The ~~auction~~-house ~~corpus~~ is unanimous: every Phillips, Sotheby's, Antiquorum, and Bonhams lot description reads cal. 1520 at 26 jewels. The forum-level claim that some 5517 examples carry caliber 1570 is not supported by any major-house lot in ~~the surveyed corpus~~ and likely shows contamination from the standard 5512 / 5513 cases that can house either caliber. Treat the 1520 reading as resolved against the 1570 claim.		The 5517 runs caliber 1520. The Major-house lots is unanimous: every Phillips, Sotheby's, Antiquorum, and Bonhams lot description reads cal. 1520 at 26 jewels. The forum-level claim that some 5517 examples carry caliber 1570 is not supported by any major-house lot in documented examples and likely shows contamination from the standard 5512 / 5513 cases that can house either caliber. Treat the 1520 reading as resolved against the 1570 claim.

	The 1520 is the long-run non-chronometer caliber that powers the 5513 through most of its run. The 5517's distinction over the standard 5513 is structural — fixed bars, 60-minute bezel, sword hands, military caseback engravings — rather than mechanical.		The 1520 is the long-run non-chronometer caliber that powers the 5513 through most of its run. The 5517's distinction over the standard 5513 is structural — fixed bars, 60-minute bezel, sword hands, military caseback engravings — rather than mechanical.
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	=== Maxi dial generations ===		=== Maxi dial generations ===

	Late-program 5517 dials carry the same Maxi I (1977–1978, early 5M to early 6M serial range) and Maxi II generations documented across the contemporary 5513. The cleanest reference for the Maxi sub-generations. The Sotheby's 2023 lot 3 (case 5,339,705, c.1978) catalogues a Maxi I dial. Maxi III ("lollipop") arrives c.1978 in the 5M–6M range — the latest 5517 dial generation surfaced in ~~the auction~~-house ~~corpus~~.		Late-program 5517 dials carry the same Maxi I (1977–1978, early 5M to early 6M serial range) and Maxi II generations documented across the contemporary 5513. The cleanest reference for the Maxi sub-generations. The Sotheby's 2023 lot 3 (case 5,339,705, c.1978) catalogues a Maxi I dial. Maxi III ("lollipop") arrives c.1978 in the 5M–6M range — the latest 5517 dial generation surfaced in major-house lots.

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	The dual-engraving pattern splits cleanly between maker and customer. Rolex reference and case-number markings sit on the inner caseback. Military identification — broad arrow, NATO stock numbers, service numbers — sits on the outer caseback. Royal Navy / SBS issue uses the 0552 prefix: ''0552 / 923-7697 / [issue]/[year]'' plus the broad arrow. Army / SAS / W10 issue uses the W10 prefix: ''W10 / 6645 / 99 / 923-7697 / [issue]/[year]'' plus the broad arrow. The T-circle is a dial marking, not a caseback engraving, and articles that describe it as caseback-side conflate two separate authentication tells.		The dual-engraving pattern splits cleanly between maker and customer. Rolex reference and case-number markings sit on the inner caseback. Military identification — broad arrow, NATO stock numbers, service numbers — sits on the outer caseback. Royal Navy / SBS issue uses the 0552 prefix: ''0552 / 923-7697 / [issue]/[year]'' plus the broad arrow. Army / SAS / W10 issue uses the W10 prefix: ''W10 / 6645 / 99 / 923-7697 / [issue]/[year]'' plus the broad arrow. The T-circle is a dial marking, not a caseback engraving, and articles that describe it as caseback-side conflate two separate authentication tells.

	Documented issue numbers in ~~the auction~~-house ~~corpus~~: 688/77, 691/77, 853/78, 941/79, 960/79, 395/75. The broad arrow is the British government property mark — any broad-arrow watch in the civilian market either left service through official decommissioning or carries an unclear chain of custody. The mark is never a civilian or retail marking.		Documented issue numbers in major-house lots: 688/77, 691/77, 853/78, 941/79, 960/79, 395/75. The broad arrow is the British government property mark — any broad-arrow watch in the civilian market either left service through official decommissioning or carries an unclear chain of custody. The mark is never a civilian or retail marking.

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